tax increases, spending increases at the federal level. so many possibility it is difficult to disentangle-- >> is it really had a hard if millions of people have more money to spend we don't know what the effect will be? >> sure' we're talking about 300 million people and 15 million would be independentinbenefitingfrom the. so in the context it will b be a small number. >> we are it will be a shot in the arm to the macro-economy, but it won't be huge. it would shift $35 billion to minimum wage workers. so the economy is 15 trillion-dollar. so it will generate jobs when those people will spend that money. but it's not a jobs program. it's a wage program. that increase, that economic activity, those people will spend that money. it will increase the amount for foods and services. who produces the goods and services? more workers, more workers will bwillneed to be hired. >> and richard, help me out here. will you be less reluctant to add another worker or two on a shift if your marginal costs per hour have gone up 10% to 25%? >> well, you ha